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| ID: 58-SBT(p) | | | Town/s of Interest : | ________ | | W.R.Yorkshire - Sowerby Bridge, Warley | | | East Lancashire - Burnley | | | Researcher : Sheila Birkett | | | Location: Burnley Lancashire | | | For Contact details, please....[Email Smith Project] -------- | | with Subject Header "Query re ID 58-SBT(p)" and/or
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Summary of Interests/Message | | | Isaac SMITH - born - Sowerby Bridge, circa 1796 | | | His wife, Grace - born Sowerby Bridge, circa 1796 | | | ___ | | | Known children: Baptised at Christ Church, Sowerby: | | | William. born: 24 Aug 1828, Bpt 28 Sept 1828 | | | ** Nathan, born 23 May 1832, Bpt 8 June 1834 | | | Grace, born 6 May 1834, Bpt 8 June 1834 | | | ___ | | | Another daughter Susan - a query concerning Susan's year of birth...... | | | I have received this information ..... | | | Susan, born 6 June 1834, Bpt 26 Dec 1834 (?? may be 1831) | | | Somewhere there is an error in Grace & Susan's birth & baptism, but the information was given to me at different times, so I have no way of knowing which is correct. | | | ___ | | | nb: See Census Data below for Susan in 1851 and Susan Nutter (nee Smith) in 1861 | | | ___ | | | ** However, my "man" is NATHAN SMITH. | | | Marriage : Ebenezer Chapel, Burnley : 6 April 1852. | | | Nathaniel Smith (father: Isaac) and Margaret Murray (father: Andrew) | | | nb: Margaret Murray was my gt.gt.grandfather's sister | | | I have no information about Nathan & Margaret after they were married. | | | The Smith family came to Burnley prior to the 1851 Census. | |
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| 1851 Census: 1 Midgeley Court, Burnley | | All are shown as born in Sowerby Bridge | | Name | Age | | Occupation | | Isaac Smith | 55 | mar | Bread Seller | | Grace Smith | 55 | mar | Bread Maker | | Sarah Smith | 25 | unm | P.L.Cotton Weaver | | William Smith | 21 | unm | Mechanic | | Susan Smith | 19 | unm | P.L.Cotton Weaver | | Nathaniel Smith | 18 | unm | Clogger | | Grace Smith | 16 | unm | P.L.Cotton Weaver | | ______________________ | ______ | ______ | ______________________ |
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| Susan Smith (b.?c1831-34) married Robert Nutter, at | | | St Peters, Burnley, 31 January 1858 | | | Robert Nutter. Father: Henry Nutter, Tailor | | | Susan Smith: Father: Isaac Smith, Farmer | | | ___ | ____ | | 1851 Census above gives Susan's age as 19 ( = b.c1831/32) | | | 1861 Census - see data below - Susan Nutter (nee SMITH) | | | - age is given as 27 (= b.c1833/34) | | | Note: her father Isaac Smith is recorded at the same address. | | | (I also have the 1871, 81, 91 and 1901 Census data for the Nutters) | |
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| 1861 Census: 10 Off Derby St, Burnley | | Name | Age | | Occupation | Born | | Robert Nutter | 28 | mar | Cotton Weaver | Trawden | | * Susan Nutter | 27 | mar | Cotton Weaver | Sowerby, Yorks | | Freddie Nutter | 3 | | | Habergham Eaves | | Martha Nutter | 7mth | | | Habergham Eaves | | * ISAAC SMITH | 69 | Wid | FATHER-IN-LAW | Sowerby Bridge | | _________________ | | | ________________ | ________________ |
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| William Smith b.1828 - son of Isaac and Grace | | | Probable/possible 1861/1881 Data | | | The William shown in the 1861 & 1881 Census records, transcribed below, may not be "my" William as he has no Isaac or Grace or other family names, but I have not found any other William in the 1881 Census. | _______ |
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| 1861 Census: 129 Spring Gardens, Warley, W.R.Yorks. | | Name | Age | | Occupation | Born | | William Smith | 29 | mar | Wool Spinner | Warley | | Eliza Smith | 30 | mar | | Skircoat | | Spencer J. Smith | 7 | | | Warley | | Sarah Smith | 4 | | | Warley | | _________________ | ___ | ___ | _____________ | _____________ |
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| 1881 Census: Spring Gardens, Warley, W. R.Yorks | | Name | Age | | Occupation | Born | | William Smith | 50 | mar | Wool Spinner | Sowerby Bridge | | Eliza Smith | 50 | mar | Housewife | Skircoat | | Hannah Smith | 19 | unm | Wool Winder | Warley | | James Smith | 16 | unm | Wool Piecer | Warley | | Hamlet Smith | 7 | | Scholar | Warley | | Emily Smith | 5 | | | Warley | | _________________ | ___ | ___ | _____________ | _____________ |
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| Nathaniel Smith m Margaret Murray Burnley 1852. | | | I will be most grateful for any info on my Margaret & Nathaniel. | | A Margaret Smith aged 33 years died in Burnley Workhouse in 1866 (Margaret was born in 1833) but it's such a popular name. I'm hoping to find other evidence before I decide whether to order this death certificate. Sheila Birkett, May 2006 | _______ |
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| ID: 59-PAM | | Town/s of Interest : ____________________________________ Lancashire: Warrington Lowton Newton Winwick Risley | | Researcher : Pamela Soyer | | Location: Paris, France | | Email: p a m e l a s o y e r [at] w a n a d o o.fr | | Smith Chat Forum Username: Pamela | | Online Office Pigeon-hole: 59-pam | | Submitted: January 2006 | | ___ | | Summary of Interests/Message | | 31 names with known data are included in the
A-Z index of Smith ancestors/relatives first names.
Earliest known birth: Isaac Smith born in Lowton in1812
married Ann Grimshaw at Winwick in 1831 | | For a list of names that are included under
Pamela's ID in our "A-Z Ancestors first names Index",
see Smith Chat Topic >>..(59-PAM) >> where
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| ID: 60-MAR | | Town/s of Interest: Toxteth Park-Liverpool,
Hulme-Manchester (& Stockport) | | | Researcher : Marg Morse | | | Location: Australia | | | Email: e s r o m 5 7 [at] s m a r t c h a t.net.au | | | Smith Chat Forum Username: | | | Online Office Pigeon-hole: 60-mar | ________ | | Submitted: Feb 2006 | | Summary of Interests/Message
I have 2 Smith families given below as Family(1) & Family(2)
The families were not related through the Smith name, but through the marriages of sisters Margaret and Mary Ann Fayle.
Family (1)
WILLIAM HENRY SMITH was, born Stockport, Cheshire, parents unknown about 1850.
He married MARGARET FAYLE 23 January 1876 in St. Michaels, Toxteth Park, Lancs. daughter of DANIEL FAYLE and ELIZABETH OATES.
In the 1881 census William Henry Smith was listed as Head Booksellers Assistant aged 31 and was living at 9 Alfred St Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire with his wife Margaret and daughter Edith aged 3 years and son Harry H aged 10 months.
I have been unable to find William Henry Smith in the 1891 census.
His children were in the 1891 census, as follows:
FREDERICK SMITH, b. 1883, and HARRY SMITH, b. 1880, both born Hulme, Manchester,
and were living with their grandmother Betsey Stephenson in Liverpool.
A search of the 1901 census:
I found the family at 24 Hardy Street, Liverpool, Parish of St Michael:
Margaret Smith aged 42 years, widow, midwife.
and son Frederick aged 18 years--printer compositor, born Manchester.
Betsey Stephenson 81 years, widow, and 1 servant.
I think the little girl Edith must have died after 1881. So far I have not found the son Harry on the 1901 census. Family (2)
GEORGE SMITH was born 1829 and died 27 November 1908 in Liverpool.
He married MARY Ann Fayle 1858 in Liverpool.
In 1861 he was living at 54 Chester St. Toxteth Park, Liverpool with his wife and her parents, Daniel & Betsey Fayle
By the 1871 census, he was living at 92 South Chester St, Toxteth Park with Mary Anne and children:
Elizabeth 11 years, Jane 9 years, George 3 years,
and boarder George Whittaker, Police constable, 36 years.
1881 census - The family were at 110 Northumberland St Toxteth Park, Lancashire,
George SMITH aged 52 years --Head, Bricklayer.
wife Mary Ann aged 39 years
with children --Harriet aged 9 years, Thomas .J. aged 8 years, Margaret J. aged 4 years, James B. aged 2 years and Daniel aged 8 months all born Liverpool
By 1891 The family is now once again living in South Chester Street, at No 80.
George (still bricklaying), with his wife Mary Ann
Children--Thomas was now aged 18--- Apprentice to Bricklayer
Margaret now aged 14 years--- scholar.
James 12 years scholar
Daniel 11 years scholar
In the 1901 census, the family were still living at 80 South Chester St, Toxteth Park
George aged 70 bricklayer,
his wife Mary Anne 59 years
son James 22 years apprentice bricklayer, and 2 boarders
George left a will at his death, leaving all to his wife Mary Anne Smith. The will was probated on the 7th December 1908.
I would love to hear from any one researching this family.............. Other researchers - Any further data or info about this family?
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| ID: 61-JAD | | _ | Town/s of Interest: Toxteth Park - Liverpool -------- and ?Manchester | | Researcher : Jade Werner | | Email: j a d e w e r n e r [at] b i g p o n d .com | | Smith Chat Forum Username: | | Online Office Pigeon-hole: 61-jad | | Submitted: March 2006 | | Summary of Interests/Message
I am trying to research any information pertaining to my great grandfather ROBERT GEORGE SMITH, born in Bessbrook in Ireland (I think) on the 24th March 1898.
His parents were Robert George Smith and Nelly Smith (Maiden name possibly spelt Smyth, Smithe, etc).
Robert was one of a large number of children from this union.
He later moved to Liverpool and married Rebecca Isaacs on the 18th August 1919 at Toxteth Park.
This union created 12 children.
Robert passed away in June 1973 in Manchester or Liverpool.
If anyone has any information on Great grandad Robert... it would be gratefully appreciated. Also if anyone could tell me how to trace information in Ireland on this line..... that would be wonderful. Yours in family history, Jade .............. Other researchers - Any further data or info about this family? >>please share it>> Cas | | ____________________________________________ |
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| ID: 62-ALS | | _ | Town/s of Interest: Haydock, Windle, Rainford, Upholland Ormskirk | | Researcher : Allan Smith | | Location: Osbaldeston, Blackburn | | Email: a l l a n e d e n l e a [at] a o l.com | | Smith Chat Forum Username: | | Online Office Pigeon-hole: 62-als | | Submitted: February 2006 | | Summary of Interests/Message
Any information on the following would be very much appreciated. I would be happy to provide details of the information I already have.
The list below starts with me and works backwards in time:
* ALLAN SMITH b.9.7.1948 Warrington
* HENRY SMITH b.4.1.1915 Haydock [d.14.11.1974]
m.27.9.1945 Mary KING (b.31.12.1920)
Children: Kenneth 1946, Allan 1948
* HENRY SMITH b.22.5.1874 Haydock [d.1942]
m.19.9.1896 Elizabeth Ann DONALD (b.21.1.1874)
Children:
Lily 1897, Henry(I) 1898, Elizabeth 1900,
Louis 1901, Mary-Ellen 1902, John 1907,
Frederick 1908, Margaret 1911, Thomas 1912,
Stanley 1913, Henry(2) 1915, Arthur 1917.
*JOHN SMITH b.1849 Windle. [d.18.8.1903]
m.12.12.1869 Elizabeth BROMILOW (b.1851)
Children:
John 1870, Albert 1873, Henry 1874,
Moses 1876, Mary 1878, Catherine 1880,
Ellen 1882, May 1884, Lily 1887.
* HENRY SMITH b.1823 Upholland. [d.1859]
m.4.1.1846 Mary ROBINSON (b.1828)
Children:
Thomas 1848, John 1849, Henry 1852,
Richard 1854, Peter 1857.
* THOMAS SMITH b.1794 Upholland [d.1857] m. ANN ?
Children:
John 1822, Henry 1823, Alice 1826, Thomas 1831
* ROBERT SMITH b.1765 Ormskirk. m. ELLEN ?.
Son: Thomas 1794
* GILBERT SMITH b.1747 Rainford. m. ELIZABETH ?.
Son: Robert 1765
* GILBERT SMITH b.1723 Ormskirk.
1723 Ormskirk. Son: Gilbert 1747
* GILBERT SMITH b.1693 Ormskirk.
m.22.12.1712 Ellen WEBSTER.
Son: Gilbert 1723
* PETER SMITH b.1670 Ormskirk.
Son: Gilbert 1693
* GILBERT SMITH b.about 1640-1650 Ormskirk.
Son: Peter 1670 .............. Other researchers - Any further data or info about this family? >>please share it >> Cas | | ____________________________________________ |
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| ID: 63-GIL | | _ | Town/s of Interest : Lan - Barrow-in-Furness.
WRY - Cleckheaton, Huddersfield, | | Researcher : Gill Buttery | | Location: East Yorkshire | | Email: g_b u t t e r y [at[ h o t m a i l . com | | Smith Chat Forum Username: gbuttery | | Online Office Pigeon-hole: 63-gil | | Submitted: March 2006 | | ___ | | Summary of Interests/Message | | John Smith, a joiner, was born 1822 in Misson, Notts. Son of William Parkinson Smith, a farmer (b.1788 Garthorpe, Lincs) and Ann Carlile (b. 1789 Coleby, Lincs)
His wife, Cecily Winn was born 1823 in the village of Well, near Snape, Yorks. Her parents were Thomas (also a farmer) and Mary Winn.
Children of John SMITH and Cecily nee WINN,
All born in Huddersfield -
Thomas 1848, **John H. 1850, Frank 1859,
Edward P. 1862, and Mary E. 1864
**John H Smith (b.1850, Cleckheaton) was a saddler. He married Hannah (maiden name unknown).
John H. and his family moved from Cleckheaton to Hull, E Yorks, sometime between 1881 and 1888. He was mentioned in the Kelly's directory of 1913 for Hull. But the website FreeBMD gives his death as 1902. He died in Barrow-in-Furness
Given the name and the fact he lived in Hull, I would have totally dismissed the information that John Smith who died in Barrow-in-Furness as having any link to my family. As it was, my father had already given me the information that his grandfather had moved and consequently died in Barrow-in-Furness, some years earlier. My father was not sure why he went to live in Barrow.
I have been unable to find any information regarding his wife, Hannah, apart from census information that gives her birthplace as Sheffield. Maybe, she had relatives in Barrow. None of their children had moved there.
John H and Hannah had 3 sons.
William (1879) and Frederick (1884) were born in Cleckheaton, but Arthur (1888) was born in Hull.
Frederick and Arthur married sisters Louisa and Olive Tute .............. Other researchers - Any further data or info about this family? >>please share it >> Cas | | ____________________________________________ |
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About Cleckheaton
" Cleckheaton or Clackheaton is a chapelry and village, in the parish of Birstall, West Riding, about 198 miles from London, nearly 6 SSE from Bradford and 9 SW from Leeds; finely situated in a valley, stretching from north to south, the hills rising gradually on each side, are very fetile, and the valley is in a high state of agriculture, which, with the acclivities, abound with wood, that greatly improves the general scene........." (from 1834 - Pigot & Co's National Commercial Directory) Modern day Cleckheaton is situated in the metropolitan borough of Kirklees which was created in 1973 by the Heath government. It was previously in Spenborough and had its own Town Hall...............more information at >>CleckheatonFolkFestival.org>>
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